[S2E03] How to chase your dreams and overcome your fears with Phoebe Smith


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"You shouldn’t let anything stop you doing what you’re really passionate about and want to do!"

Over the years I have met Phoebe Smith many times at different events and have wild camped with Phoebe though her books.

Phoebe is a wonderfully kind adventurous soul, who I know you're going to grow to love as you listen to this podcast episode.

An Author, Extreme Sleeper and Editor of the Wanderlust Travel Magazine, Phoebe also seeks the small things in life, because you’ll one day look back and realise they were the big things!

For Phoebe, these small things are pushing her sleep and daring to go more wild each time.

And in 2014 this has led her to become the first person to sleep at all extreme points of mainland Britain including the centre most point, solo and on consecutive nights.

Phoebe believes you should collects sleeps - not things.

We cover in this episode what it’s like to chase your dreams, follow your gut and face your fears, things anyone can do, because as Phoebe says, she is just an ordinary person who knows how to sleep!

To help you on your journey, we dive into…

  • What wild camping is?

  • What are bothies?

  • Why camping is important

  • Why you should try mindful walking

  • What Phoebe’s first solo wild camp was like

  • How to overcome your fear

  • How to go wild camping for the first time

  • Is wild camping legal in the UK?

  • AND much more!!

So now I imagine you’re thinking that this episode sounds really cool and you can’t wait to listen, but hold on Adelaide, what’s Extreme Sleeping? Well you’ll just have to listen and find out!

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Selected Links From The Episode

Find Phoebe Here: Phoebe Smith / BooksInstagram / YouTube / Twitter

Find Alister Here: The Admin Admin PodcastGet Outdoors More YouTube

Other Mentions

Phoebe’s New Book: Britain's Best Small Hills: A guide to wild walks, short adventures, scrambles, great views, wild camping & more (Bradt Travel Guides)The Mountain Bothy Association

The Wanderlust Travel Magazine

Show Notes


[0.00-2.15] Introduction to podcast and review of the week

[2.15-3.27] Listener Alister Christman introduces Phoebe Smith, discover his podcast The Admin Admin and Get Outdoors More YouTube channel!

[3.27-4.48] Who Phoebe is in the world today

Extreme Sleeping

[4.48] How Phoebe created the term Extreme Sleeping and First Wild Camp

[7.50] Most extreme place Phoebe has slept (and recommendations!)

[11.50] How does it feel to wild camp?

[13.59] Mindful Walking

[19.30] Exploring Bothys!

Overcoming fear

[27.00] Were you ever scared on a wild camp?

[31.50] Top tips for first time solo campers

Is wild camping legal is the UK?

[36.00] What’s the deal with UK access rights?

Women in the Adventure Space

[41.48] Nature is a natural leveller 

[46.40] Phoebe’s New Book: Britain's Best Small Hills


[51.56] Where you can find phoebe

[52.35] How you can help me and how I can help you!!

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A big thanks to Rob Lawrencefor production, audio engineering and for helping me make Season 2 become a reality :)

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